Posted by Cyprus in Vanguard News, Vanguard Guides
Crafting is a grind, so how can you maximize the experience gained over time?
I spent some time gathering data on the experience made per make, and per work order turn in. The results were different then I expected, and definitely changed the way I do the crafting grind. I will be using round numbers for examples, but the experience does vary slightly. Also, the hard numbers being used in this guide are from level 9-11 Blacksmithing, some of the numbers will vary depending on your crafting level and your trade skill, but the methods outlined in this guide remain to be the fastest route to gaining crafting levels, despite your level or trade.
Ok, let me first explain a few things about work orders (WO’s), and let’s set up some acronyms for easy reference.
3 Standard Work Order Types:
Make an item, make a set, and make a batch. We’ll refer to them as…
4 Standard Difficulty Levels:
Very easy, east, moderate and difficult. We’ll refer to them using…
For example, a MWO5 would be a moderate work order for a batch (5 items).
When you process a WO, you get experience when you make each item, but you get much more experience when you turn in the completed WO. For this discussion, a Bonus is the experience gained when you turn in a WO.
Lets talk numbers
[NOTE: see bottom of guide for more information on the numbers; where, what levels, what craft, etc.]
Difficulty changes the experience:
The difficulty of the WO determines how much experience you will receive, but the change is very small.
VEWO - offer no exp per make, and a negligible bonus
EWO - offer about 100-125 exp per make, and 500-600 exp bonus
MWO - offer about 115-175 exp per make, and 525-675 exp bonus
DWO - offer about 140-200 exp per make, and 575-750 exp bonus
WO1-WO3-WO5 differences:
Each item you make in the same WO will give you increased exp. For example, if you take a WO5 and make all B quality items, your first item would be the lowest exp gained, and each one after would yield more exp. This makes sense, because you have a chance to mess up on every item, meaning the 5th make in a WO5 is the toughest to make. The growth of experience through a WO5 finishes with the 5th item being roughly double the exp of the first make.
Sample 1: An example of all B quality made items in a MWO5:
There is only a slight difference between WO1, WO3, and WO5 bonus experience. So, since the bonus experience is essentially the same for doing a WO1 as it is for doing a WO5, and its much faster and effecient to complete 5 separate WO1’s and cashing in on the 5 separate bonuses, than it is to create 5 items for a single WO5, with only a single bonus - it makes since to focus on completing WO1’s if you’re looking to level up quickly.
Sample 2: Do 1 x MWO5, your XP would go something like this:
Sample 3: Do 5 x MWO1’s, your XP would go something like this:
Quite a bit of difference in time and effort doing 5 x WO1’s rather than 1 x WO5’s. Worse case scenario you find you’re unable to complete a session because of complications - you’ve only wasted the investment into that single item and not potentially 4 other items completed previously.
Exp vs. Reward
My general philosophy is to level up first, then go for reward. Why spend time doing WO5’s for gear and some extra loot, when you can level quickly and hit up much higher level WO5’s later. Obviously, if you are in it for loot, then doing WO5’s will get you more, but leveling faster will allow for better rewards and better crafting recipes quicker.
General Strategy for leveling crafting
Each level you gain points within your specific skill sets (view your skills/skill points by opening your character screen selecting the “Crafting” tab on the left, then selecting the “Skills” tab on the bottom).
At the beginning of a level, I generally do several EWO1’s for Refining and Finishing to max out my skills. Don’t forget to use the locks and such, so that you can max out what you want.
Next, I move on to MWO1’s and produce C quality items. Why C? C’s are almost a guarantee and require less time & materials to accomplish, so I do C’s constantly throughout the level. Sometimes, I’ll notice that I’m getting into C pretty easily and push for B’s, but never at the gamble of losing the item. B quality items will get you higher experience and higher rewards, but getting greedy can cause problems completing a WO which slows you down. Aiming for a C quality will always be a safe bet.
I hope this has been helpful. At the time of my research, I was around level 10, blacksmith. I am now a much higher weapon smith, and the pattern is still the same. Experience has grown quite a bit, and the difference between Easy and Moderates has increased as well. So, the only change that is worth mentioning so far, is that getting to Moderates quickly is important.
Helpful tips:
NOTES ABOUT ABOVE GUIDE:
The research for the numbers above was done mostly during the levels 9-11, blacksmithing. The numbers are rough estimates for easier discussion, because the data collected varied slightly. As your level increases, all the experience gains grow as well.
With my own experience, Difficult WO’s proved to be a big gamble, where a good portion of the WO’s had too many complications to complete even C quality items. If, by some chance, you are able to complete DWO1’s with a very high success rate, that would probably be the best way to level.
Posted by Cyprus in Vanguard News, Vanguard Dungeon Reviews
Dungeon:
Stonesmasher Enclave
Location:
Vertically between 3 Rivers and New Targonor but a bit more East
[location 53300, 64500, (-27, 26) ]
There are several outposts around, with this dungeon entrance in the middle of a small crescent cut valley.
Level Range of Mobs:
2 and 3 dot levels 13-19
Overview:
Final View:
This is a mining cave, complete with railroad tracks and lots of rock. If you like caves, then this is heaven, but the general look of it gets old quick. All mobs are of the same 3 types up to the boss, so variety is lacking here again. New Targonor faction is very important because of the teleport to other continents, and finding a large spawn of mobs that are around level 16 was a bonus. The tricky spots are where 4, 5 or 6 mobs are all standing around in a social circle… yep… that can make for a hell of a pull. The rest of the place is all single or double pulls; which is very easy for a duo or trio to work the entrance for faction or decent experience.
Posted by Cyprus in Vanguard News, Vanguard Dungeon Reviews, Vanguard Guides
Dungeon:
Gulgrethor Fortress
Location:
East on the path from Gulkar’s Encampment, a town at the south end of the island with Martok. The path leads right by a holding point for Orcs, and into the Fortress.
Level Range of Mobs:
15-19, 3 and 4 dots
Screenshots:
Gulgrethor Fortress screenshots
Overview:
Walk through:
Quests are on your right as you enter the main area of the Fortress. You can go down the right or left side, both eventually lead down to the ramp allowing ground level access to the dungeon. Taking the right side is a much shorter distance to the ramp, and also has a shortcut that will be outlined in a minute. First lets explain how to maneuver around this dungeon. When you go down the right side you will get to the ramp leading down. Once on ground level you are facing the main structure, and there are a few directions to go.
Going inside the structure doesn’t really accomplish much unless you are looking for a lot of the large flying bat eye mobs- there are a bunch in the courtyard. The ramps to the second level of the structure are all on the outside. Our group usually headed to the left, avoiding mobs, and staying farther away from the fortress, until we saw a quick path to the ramp. Once up the ramp, its pretty easy to see how to get around. Several patrols that spawn regularly can cause additional agro, but other then that its pretty easy double pulls, with the undead and revenants spawning Cursed Spirits (hating these yet?). The patrols are often named (Soul Seeker and Rampage) which both drop guaranteed loot, so keep looking for them to re-spawn. Well, now that we know how to get around…
What’s the deal with this big structure in the middle and the 4 corners with orbs, the towers, AND why are there harbringer bosses at every corner… sometimes different bosses— it seems almost random???? Ok, let’s explain the whole ordeal. First, there are quest chains that you have to go through. Most are kill quests, some are collection quests. Eventually you will get to a quest that requires you to go to the 4 orbs, and another quest to gather all 4 harbringer heads. At each orb there is a harbringer that also has a named rare that can spawn. The named rare will take a different form (wolf, spider, dragon, etc) and will be able to be pulled alone.
Each harbringer is different, and some have some nasty abilities like AOE poisons, so be ready with all buffs just incase. The harbringers will have 2 mobs near them and it’s expected to have a 3 pull, although 2 pulls have been done. Killing an actual harbringer is the only way to get the head of a harbringer for the quest, but regardless of what is waiting at an orb, you can kill it and finish the orb quest. Each rare spawn is a guaranteed loot drop, and most of the loot is good for the level. If the group is good enough, waiting on re-spawns is the worst part about the loot farming or quest completing.
There is a final quest located in Martok, that asks you to kill a rare form of another harbringer, not 100% sure of his name, possibly Viliconis. He is the last harbringer boss at the top level of the fortress. It’s not too difficult to reach him, except for the one mid level room that has several wandering mobs. When you reach this room, its best to pull as many mobs as you can straight down the middle and when you see a chance- head directly down the middle to the staircase, it’s a safe spot to battle whatever agro you get. From there you can rest then advance upwards and eventually reach the harbringer. The last harbringer is supposed to be like the other harbringers, where his rare form has a chance at spawning, but this one is a very low chance at spawning. For this quest, you need the rare version, so be prepared to camp the room a while.
Final View:
This dungeon is stunning. There is so much to look at, and all of it looks great. Huge chains come from different angles… Large Ziggurat-like structures, some with towers… Several staircases, ramps, walkways, walls- almost labyrinth qualities… Walking around the rim, fighting as you make your way to the back of the fortress- you can see bosses on the ground floor- one looks somewhat like a spider, another more like a dragon, several “Soulseekers” which are huge flying mobs resembling bats.
Once you reach the back of the fortress, its difficult to choose a path because there is so much available to you. Variety of mobs in this dungeon is at it’s best, eye candy all over, increasing difficulty with bosses scattered with no clear cut paths, and roaming patrols keep you looking over your shoulder… Yes, this is what Vanguard is all about.
Quick Tips:
Fighting on the Ramps:
The fortress is a big place, with lots of ramps and lots of double, triple pulls, even adds. Its important to make sure you are fighting in safe areas. Our group found that when you are running around on the 2nd level farming orbs and harbringer pulls, the safest place to pull and fight was the first long ramp up to the orbs in every corner. The only mobs you will find are patrols that spawn in intervals, and the mobs at top and bottom of ramp, so pulling harbringers to the middle of the ramp is completely safe.
The Short-Cut:
This saved us a TON of time when we got to farming this place. When you enter the main fortress/cave area and head down the right side, pass the quest givers on your left, you will see a corner stone below you that you can jump to. It’s a corner stone that is linked to a ramp going up to an orb, so it’s a quick jump to the 2nd level of the fortress. Look at where you are jumping to, the left side of the corner stone has 2 mobs (when the walker moves to the right side of the corner stone), and make sure there is no big axe patrolman coming… then have your tank jump first. Have him jump and run through the mobs, carrying them to the ramp that leads down ward to the main 2nd level of the fortress. Fight on the safe ramp area, then you are ready to pull the harbringer, or move to another orb.
Posted by Cyprus in Vanguard News, Vanguard Dungeon Reviews
Dungeon:
Gardens of Xia’Liu
Location:
North of Gulkar’s Encampment, a camp at the south end of the Wildgrowth Forest, south of Martok.
Level Range of Mobs:
3 and many 4 dots, Levels 12-16
Screenshots:
Gardens of Xia’Liu Screenshots
Overview:
Walk through:
Once you enter the actual ‘garden’ area, you can go left or right. The right side has 2 smaller wings, a few mobs, and a named which takes a while to respawn. If you & your group are looking to ‘clear’ the area you’ll want to take a few minutes to sweep through the right wing, otherwise its not required to advance. The quests take you to the left.
Following the left path you come to a clay golem guarded pool at the top of a hill. This pool is your first pond for the “fill up 3 water bottles” quest, the bottles are in your inventory.
At that pond you can go 2 directions:
A) Pass the pond on your rightside, following a path that veers right. This leads over a bridge and then to a doorway. Through the doorway you reach a “T” intersection at a shallow stream. Both directions take you to the 2nd pool, but going left ensures a nice ramp up to the top. Once you have reached the 2nd pool and filled another water bottle, backtrack to the 1st pond and take path B.
B) From the enterance of the dungeon, you would take a left when you reach the first pond. If you were back tracking from the 2nd pond, look to take a path on your right. The path leads toward a shallow water section of the dungeon. There are several dead ends in this section. but most can be spotted quickly, allowing you to get back on track right away.
Once out of the water, you approach a hill topped with 2 level 15 & 16 4 dot clay golems. This path leads to the final courtyard with 2 pools (complete the water collection quest) and a wooden tower structure in the middle. The near pool will work for your 3rd water bottle of the quest, and from there you can get to the wooden tower with a few timely mob pulls. Get to the tower, climb to the platform, but stop BEFORE the top level, and use your Spiriteye talisman for the big quest. You do not need to get to the very top, where 4-5 deadly clay golems await. If you clear that top level, let us know about it, looked pretty rough up there.
Final View:
Except for the deadly foes at every turn, this ‘eastern orient’ styled dungeon might be a leisurely stroll through lushly appointed gardens adorned with tidy little ponds, ornate bridges, beautiful flowers and simple open air structures. Pulls were challenging enough to really test full groups averaging under level 12. With a higher level group, timing and basic strategy is still necessary to keep AOE damage away and deal with extra adds.
Posted by Cyprus in Vanguard News, Vanguard Dungeon Reviews
Dungeon:
Karrus Fahrel
Location:
South of Khal, across river, almost directly South of the Eastern side of Khal.
Level Range of Mobs:
3 and 4 dots, level 10-15
Overview:
Final View:
The dungeon was graphically impressive with giant spinning globes and light reflecting from different angles, but it was lacking in variety of mobs. The level of difficulty was pretty high for anything less then a balanced 4-5 group of level 12’s. Respawn rate made any mistakes very costly, but the quests and experience were very decent for the level. If it’s right for your group’s level, there are lots of mobs to kill and little variety if you get into a rhythm.
Posted by Draedus in Vanguard News
Labyrrinth(of Silky Venom) shared this in the SV forum and credits Tagad, Senior Game Designer at Sigil for the original data. Building positive faction for the places where you start out as KoS can be quite important, as its the only way to gain access to area vendors & quest NPC’s. Cyprus of Sinister Guild dropped us a great report on how to check and improve your faction be sure to check that our as well (Kill on Sight : The Vanguard Faction low Down)
Martok
Kills on Sight: Half Elf
Kills on Sight: Kojani Human
Kills on Sight: Raki
Kills on Sight: Wood Elf
Kills on Sight: Gnome
Kills on Sight: Mordebi Human
Kills on Sight: Qaliathari Human
Kills on Sight: Dwarf
Kills on Sight: Halfling
Kills on Sight: High Elf
Kills on Sight: Thestran Human
Tanvu
Kills on Sight: Orc
Kills on Sight: Goblin
Kills on Sight: Dark Elf
Caial Brael
Kills on Sight: Orc
Kills on Sight: Goblin
Kills on Sight: Dark Elf
Hathor Zhi
Kills on Sight: Half Elf
Kills on Sight: Kojani Human
Kills on Sight: Raki
Kills on Sight: Wood Elf
Kills on Sight: Gnome
Kills on Sight: Mordebi Human
Kills on Sight: Qaliathari
Kills on Sight: Dwarf
Kills on Sight: Halfling
Kills on Sight: High Elf
Kills on Sight: Thestran Human
Mekalia
Kills on Sight: Goblin
Kills on Sight: Orc
Kills on Sight: Dark Elf
Kills on Sight: Kurashasa
Kills on Sight: Dwarf
Kills on Sight: Lesser Giant
Qur’xa
Kills on Sight: Raki
Kills on Sight: Gnome
Kills on Sight: Mordebi Human
Kills on Sight: Qaliathari Human
Kills on Sight: Vulmane
Khal (Except for Foreign Quarter)
Kills on Sight: Goblin
Kills on Sight: Orc
Kills on Sight: Dark Elf
Kills on Sight: Kurashasa
Lomshir
Kills on Sight: Gnome
Bordinar’s Cleft
Kills on Sight: Goblin
Kills on Sight: Orc
Kills on Sight: Dark Elf
Kills on Sight: Gnome
Kills on Sight: Varanthari
Kills on Sight: Lesser Giant
Kills on Sight: Varanjar
Kills on Sight: Vulmane
Rindol Field
Kills on Sight: Orc
Kills on Sight: Goblin
Kills on Sight: Dark Elf
Leth Nurae
Kills on Sight: Goblin
Kills on Sight: Orc
Kills on Sight: Dark Elf
Kills on Sight: Vulmane
Halgarad
Kills on Sight: Gnome
Kills on Sight: Dwarf
Tursh
Kills on Sight: Goblin
Kills on Sight: Orc
Kills on Sight: Dark Elf
Dahknarg
Kills on Sight: Half Elf
Kills on Sight: Wood Elf
Kills on Sight: Gnome
Kills on Sight: High Elf
Ahgram
Kills on Sight: Goblin
Kills on Sight: Orc
Kills on Sight: Dark Elf
Kills on Sight: Kurashasa
New Targonor
Tursh
Kills on Sight: Goblin
Kills on Sight: Orc
Kills on Sight: Dark Elf
Posted by Cyprus in Vanguard News
Cyprus & Draedus of Sinister Guild
There are many unique factions at work with-in the vast lands of Telon, and a players reputation with these factions can play a pretty big role in the opportunities that are available to them, as well as the dangers that await them when traveling.
What is my faction rating?
Each race begins with ‘default’ faction ratings based on the lore of the game. For example, if you are an Orc, you are hated by High Elves, Qalian Humans and Thestran Humans. An Orc player would be unable to visit Leth Nurae, Khal, or Tursh with-out being attacked and killed by guards and NPCs from those areas.
***Use /showfactions to see all your faction information. Sometimes, you will be unable to see certain factions until you fight something that has an affect on that specific faction, or you enter a town and encounter that faction head on.
The /showfactions displays 2 numbers:
- Dynamic Rating = how much you have changed your faction
- Full Rating = what your faction rating is right now
What is Kill on Sight (KoS)?
Kill on Sight or KoS as it is often referred to as, is a faction rating so low that any NPC from that faction will kill you on sight, with-out provocation. Kill on Sight faction ratings are -8001 and below. At start some races have a predisposition to be hated by certain factions. To follow our original example Orcs begin with -8200 faction with Threstran Humans, Qalian Humans and High Elves (among others).
Having a Kill On Sight(KoS) faction rating can be dangerous, and perhaps even more importantly it can be quite restrictive.
- attacked and killed by guards & NPCs
- miss out on quests
- cannot buy/sell/repair with area vendors
Changing faction ratings
Don’t worry, a character doesn’t have to remain hated by certain factions. Faction ratings can be improved by killing hostile mobs in the area near the faction where you want to improve your faction ratings.
An Orc character can kill mobs outside of Leth Nurae and gain faction points for each kill. The math is pretty simple- the Orc starts at -8200, and you generally get a single point per kill. Orcs would have to kill around 200 faction point awarding mobs to be recognized by Leth Nurae NPCs, vendors and quest givers.
Group faction farming
Each player in a group will recieve faction for kills by anyone in their group, as long as the group members are nearby. It pays to farm faction in a group. Together you each gain faction much more quickly, and you reduce the danger and cost of repairs.
Reference
Vanguard Kill on Sight list - a list of KoS information for each race, see where you’re hated, and avoid these factions until you’ve improved your faction ratings